Posts Tagged ‘Independence Party’


“Without the emergence of the Christian-Right in the 1970s…”

Source: This piece was originally posted at The New Democrat

Without the emergence of the Christian-Right in the 1970s and 1980s, there is no Reform Party USA today. Why, because what is the Reform Party and what’s the point of it? The Reform Party is what the Republican Party use to be and what they believed in. Before they recruited the Christian-Right and broader Far-Right out of the Democratic Party and into the GOP. They use to believe in fiscal responsibility, economic freedom, strong but limited national defense and foreign policy that’s not designed to police the world and they were tolerant or federalist on social issues. Not believing that the Federal Government or government in general, should be used to tell how Americans should live their own lives and make their personal decisions for them. That was the GOP of the 1960s that Dwight Eisenhower essentially created in the 1950s, that Tom Dewey tried to create in the 1940s. That also had a growing conservative-libertarian wing in it led by Barry Goldwater and others.

If Donald Trump takes down the Republican Party in November and they lose the House as well as the Senate and he decides to take his movement with him and perhaps launches a new third-party and perhaps some nationalist party, the Reform Party could become relevant for the first time since Ross Perot launched this movement in the early 1990s. Along with the Libertarians and this is how the Republican Party could become a national party again that can win the presidency, because it would have the members and voters, to compete for the presidency and not need gerrymandered House districts to hold a majority in the House. Or low turnout elections to win a majority in the Senate, because again they would have the voters to be able to compete with Democrats everywhere. Or perhaps the GOP dies and the Reform Party emerges as the new Center-Right party in America. And brings in Libertarians and Northeastern Conservative Republicans.

The Reform Party, to me at least represents the Republican Party when it wasn’t owned by the Christian-Right and broader Far-Right in America. A party where the Ku Klux Klan and other Far-Right European-American nationalist groups, didn’t feel at home in. Because it was a big-tent party that welcomed African-Americans, Latin-Americans, Jewish-Americans, women, Catholics, immigrants, etc. Where it was the party of Abraham Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan and yes even Barry Goldwater. Not Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, David Duke, Donald Trump, or the Tea Party. A party that could not only competed in the Northeast with moderate-conservative Republicans, but in the Midwest and the West with Conservative-Libertarians and even California, but in the South as well. And could win high turnout elections, because it had the members and voters to compete everywhere with the Democratic Party. That is no longer the case for the GOP today.


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Governor Nelson Rockefeller, R, New York

Source: This piece was originally posted at FRS Daily Times

If Nelson Rockefeller was alive today and still involved in public service in some way, whether it was in public office or working for non-profits, which he did both in his very long and distinguished career in public service. What party would he be affiliated with? I think it’s clear that maybe outside of the Northeast and of course he was from New York I believe GOV. Rockefeller would’ve had a very hard time getting elected as a Republican today. Especially in a Republican Party that’s now dominated by the Christian Right and to some extent Neoconservatives.

But neoconservatism has lost a lot if influence in the Republican Party, at least in the last two elections. Which I believe is a good thing, but the Religious-Right is still there and powerful there. And of course now with the Tea Party movement that’s now run by economic Conservatives and Religious Conservatives and with GOV. Rockefeller being fairly liberal at least to some extent on social issues except for crime and punishment, I don’t see how Nelson Rockefeller gets elected in the Republican Party today. He would probably be a better fit as a Democrat today with his liberal views on some social Issues. And his beliefs in public service and infrastructure investment, but probably like a Joe Lieberman.

Nelson Rockefeller was a social Liberal and somewhat progressive on economic policy. But more conservative on crime and punishment and foreign policy. I mean the Rockefeller Drug Laws aren’t called that for nothing, GOV. Rockefeller played a big role in advancing the War on Drugs in America. And also served as President Ford’s Vice President. Mr. Rockefeleller clearly had conservative leanings, but not enough of them for him to be successful in the Republican Party today. So where would Nelson Rockefeller go politically or maybe he would work on a third-party Movement instead.

I don’t see Nelson Rockefeller as a centrist, but an independent and they are different. A centrist is someone who’s pretty much middle of the road on most major political issues. But Rockefeller had clear political views, some conservative which is why he was a Republican. But also some liberal and progressive which is why I don’t believe he would be a Republican today. So maybe the Independence Party or a movement for that would’ve taken off with Rockefelller and George Wallace as their Leaders.

Nelson Rockefeller would be a prototypical Independent candidate and perfect for that type of political party as well. Someone who could help advance an Independence movement and would’ve been a great third-party candidate today. I don’t think he would’ve gotten elected President this way, but definitely been a factor as a presidential candidate. Sort of like George Wallace in 1968, Jack Anderson in 1980 and Ross Perot in 1992. And perhaps because of this we could’ve ended the two-party-system that under represents a lot of American voters and we could’ve had more choices in who to vote for.
History Comes To Life: Nelson Rockefeller Announces For The Presidency in 1968

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Attachment-1-152Source: Charles Wheelan: The Centrist Manifesto: Is this Realistic?

I’ve written a couple of blogs over the last few weeks about Independent third parties. And what do I mean by Independent because anyone who is  not a Democrat or Republican politically is technically an Independent. But I’m not talking Independent so much in a party registration, but Independent in an ideological sense. Voters who do not fit in well in the Left or Right boxes. The voters I’m talking about probably lean right in a political sense. But aren’t very partisan and aren’t crazy about the Republican Party, not far enough to the right to be a full-time Republican. Perhaps even like some Democrats, but certainly not far enough to the Left to be a full-time Democrat either. These voters tend to be fiscally conservative but in a pragmatic sense. That they want good government that is clean but also limited. Not trying to do everything for everybody, but there to do the things that we need it to do. And have the resources to do those core things, but spend them wisely and effectively.

The voters I talk about tend to be tolerant to moderate on social issues. They do not think about them strongly and do not like intolerance and discrimination especially through law. But probably not liberal or libertarian either. The voters I’m talking about are basically the Perot voters. Who represent something like forty percent of the country who also decide all of our presidential elections as well. And you put this coalition together and you have one hell of a third-party, a center-right party that is interested in problem solving. And would work with Democrats whenever they can and would always be looking to work with members of other parties if they were ever in power and if the Republican Party doesn’t wake up and goes off a political cliff, you could see this Independence Party that I call it step up and replace the Republican Party as the center-right party in America.

Where I differ with Charles Wheelan, who by the way I just heard of last night and why I’m blogging about this now and I would to read his book as well, is that I think we are talking about the same voters, but he’s talking about purely centrist voters with no real ideological affiliations. I’m talking about fiscal Conservatives who probably use to be Republicans. Or perhaps Blue Dog Southern Democrats who are fiscally conservative and not interested in social issues for the most part except as it relates to civil rights and civil liberties. And perhaps are liberal there or even conservative in the classical sense that government and society shouldn’t be able to discriminate against people based on things that have nothing to do with whatever they are doing. Work and housing to use as examples and do not fit in with the Religious-Right in America.

I’m a Liberal Democrat and probably always well be unless Democratic Socialists take over the Democratic Party. But I do not like the two-party system as a Liberal because it leaves out people simply because of their political views. It is Un-liberal democratic in the sense that it leaves people out because they are a bit further to the Left or Right. Than Democrats and Republicans tend to be or are in the center and are not comfortable being a Democrats or a Republican. Which is why I would like to see the two-party-system abolished and replaced with something more democratic. We need a multiple-party-system that includes Liberals, Progressives and Conservatives of course. But we need something that includes Libertarians on the Right and Socialists on the Left. And Neoconservatives on the Right and perhaps even Communists, Nationalists and Theocrats on the way Far-Left and Far-Right. So we are all represented in America as voters.

You create this multiple-party-system by simply outlawing gerrymandering from the Right and Left that all House districts that are drawn up by the states have to accurately represent the states political affiliations, rather than drawing up districts to simply give Republicans and Democrats better opportunities to win and these districts would have to be approved by a Federal Election Commission made up of Democrats, Republicans and Centrists.

We need universal ballot access that all of the parties are represented on the ballots in all. Federal elections Congress both chambers and the presidency and vice presidency.

We need universal polling that all party nominees for Federal office get polled so a media organization can’t just poll the Democrat and Republican or poll them together. But they have to poll the Libertarian, the Independent from the Independence Party I was talking about. As well as the Constitutionalist and Green or Democratic Socialist that is running as well. So all of the party nominees for office would get ID nationally. As well as in the state and districts that they are running in.

What I’m talking about is easy to put on paper and would work if it were ever to get into law. And if it were ever to become law we would need runoff elections as well. Because it would be very difficult to get fifty percent or more in one round of voting. But it is very difficult to pass especially without a major grassroots movement similar to. Immigration reform because Democrats and Republicans are still in power.

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Independent For President

Independent For President

Can A Modern Day Ross Perot Win The White House? – YouTube.

A modern Ross Perot or an Independent third-party and I say Independent for a couple of reasons. That I’ll get into later but an Independence Party lets call it for now. Could succeed in America and at some point win the White House but certain things would have to happen first.

You would need an individual or groups of individuals that have a lot of money. Somewhere in the neighborhood of a billion dollars or more together or who could raise that kinda of money. In a year or two years and use that money precisely for a building this Independent third-party. Yes finding a legitimate meaning qualified presidential candidate or several who preferably both have private sector as well as public sector experience. Would good records in both but more importantly these resources would be needed to simply build the party. Build the national but as well as state and local parties so you are represented everywhere well. Where people who think similarly as this party and what this party philosophically stands for. So you have to build the national as well as state and local parties so you can do more than just compete for the White House. But in all sorts of elections like winning seats in state legislatures. Local councils, city mayorship, state governorship and so forth. So your party has a foundation of qualified people who at some point could win and serve at the national level.

As I said I said Independent for a couple of reasons and what I mean by that. Is you need an Independence Party and maybe that party would be the Reform Party. But you need for this to work and Independence Party that is officially independent of the Republican and Democratic parties. But also ideologically independent of these parties as well. And what do I mean by that, well roughly sixty percent of that country is officially independent but also. Ideologically independent as well and what I mean by that. Is they are not only unaffiliated with the Democratic and Republican Parties officially but ideologically as well. They don’t go very far to the right on social or economic issues. They tend to be somewhat fiscally Conservative but not Libertarian. They want good responsible government that is limited to doing what we need it to do with the resources to do those things. They tend to be tolerant-moderate on social issues, perhaps even Liberal on some of them but certainly not Libertarian. And this is a coalition that represents around sixty percent of the country.

So for an Independence Party like this to work. First you need someone or groups of people with the resources to make to happen but you also need. And then you need the coalition to bring to this party and you start with the Independent vote and say look if we were united. We beat both Democrats and Republicans and we would run and fix this country. And then you go to the Northeastern wing of the Republican Party or what is left of that. And go to the Blue Dog Southern/rural wing of the Democratic Party or what is left of that. And bring these people to your side and over time you have a party that could not only compete with but. Beat Democrats and Republicans and hold major public offices.

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Fed Up With The Two Party Duopoly

Fed Up With The Two Party Duopoly

Source: The Washington Post: Opinion-Matt Miller- Top Mitt Romney Adviser Calls For a Third-Party 

There’s this independent political group called No Labels that I’m subscribed to that’s calling for members of Congress. Democrats and Republicans House and Senate to come together to work on issues where they are close ideologically. Rather than looking for the partisan advantage in each issue which is what tends to happen in Congress. The immigration reform debate right now in the Senate would be an exception to that. And hopefully the House will have a similar debate and result as well. But a lot of times partisans in the Democratic and Republican leaderships instead of looking for ways to legislate. And pass laws that could clear both chambers of Congress. They look for ways just to pass a bill out of their chamber and even if they fail at that. They’ll blame the other chamber or the minority party in their chamber for not passing that bill. No Labels has put together a Bipartisan group called Problem Solvers. Made up of House and Senate Democrats and Republicans. Who are close enough on issues to work together and produce Bipartisan legislation.

I think by in large No Labels does a good job but where I think we would disagree as when it comes to partisanship. I believe they see it as a problem in itself that partisanship by definition is a bad thing. The term No Labels reflects that if we just put our political and ideological differences behind. And forget about Democrat and Republican Left and Right. Just come together as Americans. To solve our issues we could fix everything. A two-party system in a Liberal-Democracy like America by definition and nature is partisan. We have these two major parties to represent choice for voters. It’s not partisanship that’s the problem but how what I would call extreme-partisans in both parties. Who spend most of their time looking for ways to attack the other side and to layout differences. That is the problem and because both sides are doing this to each other, not all Democrats and Republicans but too many. We are stuck with gridlock with two parties that do not seem capable of governing.

The reason why I believe there’s a need for a third-party especially if the Republican Party stays on present course. And continues to kiss off young people, minorities and Gays. Even when some of these groups agree with them on economic policy and the Republican Party. Is no longer big enough to compete with Democrats at the Federal level. Is because of all of these voters are becoming and staying Democrats. Is because of the extreme-partisans in both sides and what we could see as a result is the Democratic Party. Getting a little smaller as a result with Blue Dogs joining this third-party an Independence Party if you will. Because they do not like the Republican Party’s big government social agenda. But aren’t comfortable with the Democratic Party having all of the power. Being joined in the Independence Party by a coalition of Northeastern Republicans. People who I call Olympia Snowe Republicans and Libertarians. A long with a good chunk of the forty-percent of voters are aren’t affiliated with any political party.

I could see within ten years this Independence Party with the coalition I just laid out. Taking on the Democratic Party or at least strong enough to the point where they are competing with. Both Democrats and Republicans and even wining some major offices. Because of how fed up voters especially Independents are with Both Democrats and Republicans. But a lot of this will depend on how the Republican Party looks 5-10 years or not. If they move away from the religious-right and Neoconservatives. They’ll be able to bring in the voters to compete with Democrats nationally for years to come. If not bring on the Independence Party.

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